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Comments: 95
  • #95

    Jack (Wednesday, 11 December 2019 14:43)

    Ref #93
    This matter is clearly covered under Rule 6.3c(2).
    "(2) What to Do When Player’s Ball Was Played by Another Player as Wrong Ball.
    If it is known or virtually certain that the player’s ball was played by another player as a wrong ball, the player must replace the original ball or another ball on the original spot (which if not known must be estimated)".
    So Richard, that's how I proceed. You however, receive the General Penalty - Loss of Hole in Match Play / 2-stroke penalty in Stroke Play.

  • #94

    Theuns Scheepers (Wednesday, 11 December 2019 14:09)

    Hi. I want to know if a player's swing is restricted by a border fence, does the player get a one club relief or does he get penalised and what is the reference to the R & A rule? The situation was that someone tee'ed off, his ball came to rest near the border fence but within the golf course boundaries, the player is a right handed player and had no swing.

  • #93

    Richard (Wednesday, 11 December 2019 05:23)

    Hello,Jack,
    If I hit your ball in error, how do you proceed?

    Thanks

  • #92

    Jack (Friday, 06 December 2019 20:02)

    Ref #91
    I cannot understand your playing partners's objection to your use of a glove finger to your injured finger. There is no Rule that prevents you using a golf glove on both hands therefore using part of a glove is legal also.
    Rule 4.3a(5) - " Gloves and Gripping Agents.
    Allowed. - Using a plain glove that meets the requirements in the Equipment Rules.
    Rule 4.3b(1) - Medical Exception. A player is not in breach of Rule 4.3 if he or she uses equipment to help with a medical condition, so long as:
    The player has a medical reason to use the equipment, and The Committee decides that its use does not give the player any unfair advantage over other players.
    Rule 4.3b(2) - Tape or Similar Coverings. A player may use adhesive tape or a similar covering for any medical reason but the tape or covering must not:
    Be applied excessively, or Help the player more than is necessary for the medical reason (for example, it must not immobilize a joint to help the player swing the club).
    Hope that answers your question Derek.

  • #91

    Derek Philipps (Thursday, 05 December 2019 19:05)

    Hi Jack,
    I recently went to play a round with a cut on my finger,to protect it I used a cut off piece off an old glove to protect my finger,(just on that finger)one of my playing partners stated that this was illegal,can you please confirm if he is correct or not
    Many Thanks

  • #90

    Jack (Thursday, 28 November 2019 02:18)

    Ref #89
    Ginnie, your question is clearly answered under the following two Rules.
    3.3b(1) Marker’s Responsibility: Entering and Certifying Hole Scores on Scorecard. After each hole during the round, the marker should confirm with the player the number of strokes on that hole (including strokes made and penalty strokes) and enter that gross score on the scorecard.
    3.3b(2) (2) Player’s Responsibility: Certifying Hole Scores and Returning Scorecard. During the round, the player should keep track of his or her scores for each hole.
    When the round has ended, the player should carefully check the hole scores entered by the marker. Make sure that the marker certifies the hole scores on the scorecard, and must not change a hole score entered by the marker. except with the marker's agreement.

  • #89

    Ginnie (Wednesday, 27 November 2019 00:02)

    Is it a Rule of golf, that I am obligated to count my opponents strokes during a game, or is the responsibility theirs to do that and then tell me once the hole is completed? Thanks in advance.
    .

  • #88

    Jack (Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:26)

    Ref #87
    When you talk of "placing on course" Heather, I assume you are referring to "Preferred Lies" which is the official title for what we all call "Clean & Place".
    Local Rules are the responsibility of the club committee who should clearly post them for all players to read before playing the course. Clean & Place is considered a Temporary Local Rule and should be removed when course conditions do not require such relief.
    The Match Committee of the day should decide when this Rule applies. For general play that would be the main Match Committee, but for special competition days or one-off competitions, the organising committee makes the decision.

  • #87

    Heather (Monday, 18 November 2019 22:03)

    Who,s responsibility to put placing on course

  • #86

    Jack (Saturday, 09 November 2019 16:09)

    Ref #85
    Good question Bari, but Rule 14.2b(1) clearly states:-
    The player’s ball must be replaced under the Rules only by:
    The player, or any person who lifted the ball or caused it to move (even if that person was not allowed to do so under the Rules).
    If the player plays a ball that was replaced by someone not allowed to do so, the player gets one penalty stroke.
    Applying that Rule to the second part of your question, only the player can replace a ball that does not stay on original spot.

  • #85

    Bari (Saturday, 09 November 2019 02:08)

    Rule 14 explains about marking, lifting, cleaning ball. But nothing is in this Rule who may place the ball. Rule 10.3b(3) bullet 4 says, "Caddie is not allowed to drop and place a ball in relief area". I come to a conclusion from this that only player is allowed to place a ball.
    When a moved ball by a fellow player is replaced by him (fellow player) does not stay on the original spot after two tries, can he (fellow player) place the ball on the the nearest spot where the ball will stay (Rule 14.2e).

  • #84

    Jack (Thursday, 07 November 2019 16:12)

    Ref #82
    This subject, as covered under Rule 14.1a, was discussed recently under the Local Rule - Preferred Lies. Although a player is not required to mark the spot before lifting the ball, it was pointed out that it could be a problem locating the reference point after lifting and cleaning a ball. It was therefore "recommended" that the point should be marked thus ensuring that the relief area is clearly established.
    As far as marking is concerned, as there is no fixed rule when dropping in a relief area, you can mark with any of the items you suggest Peter.

  • #83

    Jack (Thursday, 07 November 2019 15:18)

    Ref #81
    When you say "not levelled properly" I assume you are referring to damage on the putting green.
    Under Rule 13.1c(2) - A player may repair damage on the putting green without penalty by taking reasonable actions to restore the putting green as nearly as possible to its original condition. But if the player improves the putting green by taking actions that exceed what is reasonable to restore the putting green to its original condition the player gets the general penalty for breach of Rule 8.1a.
    “Damage on the putting green” means any damage caused by a person or outside influence, such as:
    Ball marks, shoe damage (such as spike marks) and scrapes or indentations caused by equipment or a flagstick, old hole plugs, turf plugs, seams of cut turf and scrapes or indentations from maintenance tools or vehicles, animal tracks or hoof indentations, and embedded objects (such as a stone, acorn or tee).
    If you were meaning something more than the above when you said "not levelled properly" then you cannot take any action - remember the old saying Gan -
    "Play the course as you find it"!!

  • #82

    Peter (Thursday, 07 November 2019 12:31)

    Taking relief and use of tee pegs. Rule 14.1 a. “When a ball is lifted to take relief under a rule the player is not required to mark the spot before lifting ball”. Is it then necessary to use tee pegs ( or similar ) to mark reference point and relief area before dropping ball? Or can relief area be indicated just by laying down longest club? Or, is it even necessary to use club if your drop is obviously within one club length of reference point? ( 2 club lengths if dropping under penalty ).

  • #81

    Gan (Thursday, 07 November 2019 01:35)

    If the ground around the hole is not levelled properly, are we allowed to tap around the hole before making a putt?

  • #80

    Jack (Sunday, 03 November 2019 16:30)

    Ref #79
    You should take this up with the Match Committee of your club Greg. This type of behaviour is not acceptable at any time. It may be difficult for you as he is on the committee, and I suggest you talk to the Club Captain, or another senior official.
    Regarding Rules of Golf, refer to Rule 3.3b which states the responsibilities of both Marker and Player in recording scores. This should have taken place when you had different scores for Hole 4.
    Regarding the match you were playing, I would definitely agree that the match was conceded when your opponent threw your card to you at hole 9 and left the course. Rule 3.2b(2) reads:-
    A concession is made only when clearly communicated. This can be done either verbally or by an action that clearly shows the player’s intent to concede the stroke, the hole or the match (such as making a gesture).
    His gesture was very clear!!

  • #79

    Greg (Sunday, 03 November 2019 07:24)

    playing a medal, on hole 4 my marker put me down for 7, I had a six and stated so. He flew off the handle, accused me of cheating and every attempt by me to calm him and suggest we count the strokes together was met with venom. we were also playing the club singles knock out which I was 3 up at the time. anyway he threw my card at me onafter 9 and drove away not to be seen again. he is on the committee so I signed my card and submitted it with match won by concession on it.. didnt go to prizegiving and waiting to hear.

  • #78

    Jack (Sunday, 27 October 2019 02:51)

    Ref #77
    From your question Christine, I suggest that you and this person who marks your card, should read Rule 3.3b "Scoring in Stroke Play" in the Player's Edition of the Rules of Golf. (This is the small book issued to all members of golf clubs from the R&A and USGA).
    Rule 3.3b(1) details the Marker's Responsibility: Entering and Certifying Hole Scores on Scorecard, and Rule 3.3b(2) details the Player's Responsibility.
    There should be no situation where one is telling the other that their score is wrong. It is just a matter of fact and should be discussed and agreed after each hole.
    I hope this helps you sort this matter out - or perhaps you need a different marker!

  • #77

    Christine (Saturday, 26 October 2019 17:36)

    Hi when I play with a certain person and they are not marking my card but keep telling me my score and sometimes tells me I’m wrong which upsets me, is this person allowed to tell me off?
    Thank you

  • #76

    Jack (Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:21)

    Re #75
    No Bob, as soon as the result of the hole is decided, in this case by a concession (or gimme), the player may practise putting or chipping on or near the putting green of the hole just completed and any practice green. ( Rule 5.5b).
    Strokes made by a player in playing out a hole whose result has been decided are not practice strokes. (Rule 5.5a).




    Strokes made by a player in playing out a hole whose result has been decided.

  • #75

    Bob (Thursday, 24 October 2019 11:07)

    In match play, when a player declares an opposing players upcoming putt to be good, in other words a gimme, is that player obligated to pick his ball up and not putt?

  • #74

    Jack (Saturday, 19 October 2019 00:36)

    Re Friday Newsletter Query
    There are some actions that result in penalties in a bunker, such as testing the sand, etc. (Rule 12.2b(1)), but in answer to the position of the player in your photograph, no penalty applies.
    Under Rule 12.2b(2) Placing clubs, equipment or other objects in the bunker (whether by throwing or setting them down) - no penalty. But the player gets the general penalty if his or her actions in touching the sand improve the conditions affecting the stroke.
    Please pass this answer to your readers. Jack

  • #73

    Jack (Thursday, 17 October 2019 18:32)

    Ref #72
    Good question Macke, and the best way to answer it is for me to quote Rule 18.2a :-
    "(1) When Ball Is Lost. A ball is lost if not found in three minutes after the player or his or her caddie begins to search for it.
    If a ball is found in that time but it is uncertain whether it is the player’s ball:
    The player must promptly attempt to identify the ball (see Rule 7.2) and is allowed a reasonable time to do so, even if that happens after the three-minute search time has ended.
    This includes a reasonable time to get to the ball if the player is not where the ball is found.
    If the player does not identify his or her ball in that reasonable time, the ball is lost."
    The main point here is that the 3-minute search time limit does not start until the player or caddie begin the search. The player cannot give anyone, other than the caddie, authority to search. Anyone else searching is only being helpful.
    If there are supporters and/or spectators it is normal for any nearby to start searching for any player's ball.

  • #72

    Macke (Thursday, 17 October 2019 01:23)

    Subject: search time for the ball .
    Almost in all cases when the player authorise somebody to do anything with his / her ball , the player is responsible for the action of that person, but this is not the case with search time , the player may authorise 10 people (friends and family members) to start searching as soon as the players Tee off and before the player reach the spot where the his / her ball may be found , and that may result in 10 people search for the player in around 5 minutes before the player join them and then continue all of including the player for additional 3 minutes which make it unfair search time to the fellow competitor who is alone and has 3 minutes search time. This situation is very common in amateur competition specially on club level.
    (it is different for PGA, LPGA etc where ther is always a lot of spectators who are volentary helps all players without authorisation from players) . Why couldn´t be the search time 3 minutes when any body start searching for the ball authorised by the player or his caddy. should it not be the game fair in all aspects even in search time.
    What is the reason that USGA and R&A has a good interpretation on this?
    Thankful for answer
    Macke

  • #71

    Jack (Thursday, 10 October 2019 19:05)

    ref #69
    You are quite correct "golfing joe", but I did not considerate it necessary to go into the full relief procedure for a Red Penalty Area.
    To answer his question in detail I would have required a full description of the hole - including bunker, green and penalty area.

  • #70

    Jack (Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:55)

    ref #68
    You did not tell me whether you were playing Stroke or Match Play Roy, as the answers are covered under different Rules.
    Rule 11.2b A player gets the general penalty if he or she deliberately deflects or stops any ball in motion.
    General Penalty - Loss of hole in match play or two penalty strokes in stroke play.
    Stroke Play -
    Rule 11.2b(2) The stroke does not count, and the original ball or another ball must be replaced on its original spot and replayed.
    Match Play -
    Rule 3.2b(1) - The player may concede the opponent's next stroke by deflecting or stopping the opponent's ball in motion.
    For more information Roy, go to - https://www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/pages/the-rules-of-golf

  • #69

    golfing_joe (Wednesday, 09 October 2019 16:39)

    Jack. Your answer #67 is strange. The guy does not say where the flagstick is, he just said he hit it over the green. It would have to be a very precise point of entry to not have a valid relief area. It would almost take some string measured from the flagstick to prove no point of the equidistant arc is further from the hole. I would always offer something, even if it was just a slither outside the penalty area.

  • #68

    Roy T. (Wednesday, 09 October 2019 04:10)

    My opponent stopped my putt deliberately with his club on the green, what is the penalty please.

  • #67

    Jack (Sunday, 29 September 2019 03:35)

    Ref #66
    Your ball is in - what is now called a Red Penalty Area - and from your description your only option is Stroke and Distance Kurtis. That is dropping a ball back in the bunker within one club-length of where your last stroke was made. Penalty one stroke.
    You can drop out from a penalty area within two club-lengths of where it entered, but in your case this would be nearer the hole, so not available.

  • #66

    Kurtis (Sunday, 29 September 2019 00:19)

    If i hit outta a bunker and it flew over the green into a red stake hazard can i drop the ball in line behind the bunker

  • #65

    Kathy (Thursday, 26 September 2019 07:01)

    Thanks for your answer.
    My understanding of Rule 1.3c(4) is that when multiple breaches of the same rule occur before an intervening event (i.e., her stroke), she would receive one penalty stroke - so if she did not mark her ball before lifting at 3 separate locations on a hole, she would receive an additional 3 penalty strokes for that hole under Rule 14.1. However, if each time she also played from a wrong place, she would receive the higher penalty of two strokes under Rule 14.7 for a total of 6 penalty strokes on the hole.
    Also, I don't think Rule 14.1b is applicable in this case because Rule 7.3 gives the player the authority to lift a ball if it "cannot be identified as it lies". I think what's at issue here is the phrase "cannot be identified as it lies" because we're talking about her ability to identify a ball without her glasses. The question becomes - is it reasonably necessary to lift the ball to identify it.
    Thanks again for your help. I think I'm pretty well armed to take this situation on the next time it arises.

  • #64

    Jack (Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:36)

    Ref #63
    Kathy you will need a Rule book to understand my reply.... we have several Rules that apply to your question.
    First, the lifting to identify is covered under Rule 7.3 as your player gets a one-stroke penalty for not marking before lifting.
    Secondly, under the same Rule, she would incur another penalty if she cleaned the ball more than necessary to identify it.
    Thirdly, if she doesn't replace her ball on the same place, she can be penalised under Rule 14.7a with a two-stroke penalty for playing from a wrong place.
    Lastly, under Rule 1.3c(4) for multiple breaches of the same acts, she would incur only one of each penalty for the whole round.
    Finally, you must read Rule 14.1 which covers marking, lifting, cleaning and who may lift ball. The last one - Rule 14.1b - answers your question about lifting a fellow competitor's ball without authority.
    If you are playing Match Play, read Rule 9.5 for rulings.
    A bit of reading required Kathy, but I hope it all helps.

  • #63

    Kathy (Monday, 23 September 2019 18:13)

    Hi Jack - I play with someone who refuses to wear her glasses on the course. As a result, she cannot identify her ball unless she brings it up to her nose to look at it. On top of that, she never marks before she lifts and she nonchalantly tosses the ball back in the general vicinity of the original spot instead of replacing the ball on the original spot. Unfortunately, she does this to her fellow-competitors' balls as well as her own. Rule 7.3 seems to imply she will receive a penalty if she takes these actions with her own ball, but if she takes the same actions to my ball in stroke play, my ball is treated as being moved by an outside influence and she does not receive a penalty. Is this correct? I'm having a hard time understanding how she can do this dozens of times over a round and walk away without a single penalty.

  • #62

    Jack (Thursday, 12 September 2019 18:31)

    Ref #61
    The definition of "Holed" states -
    "When a ball is at rest in the hole after a stroke and the entire ball is below the surface of the putting green."
    There is no Rule that says a ball in the hole must be removed before another putts, but if there is any chance that the ball already in the hole might prevent the second ball from fully complying with that definition, it would be sensible to remove the first ball.
    Hope this answers your question Terry.

  • #61

    Terry (Tuesday, 10 September 2019 11:46)

    If someone has put their ball in the hole, can I putt my ball into the hole as well, or does the first ball have to be removed.
    Thank you

  • #60

    Jack (Wednesday, 04 September 2019 04:22)

    Ref #59
    Rule 4.1a (3) Reads as follows: Deliberately Changing Club’s Performance Characteristics During Round.
    A player must not make a stroke with a club whose performance characteristics he or she deliberately changed during the round (including while play is stopped under Rule 5.7a)
    By applying any substance to the clubhead (other than in cleaning it) to affect how it performs in making a stroke.
    Before the club is used to make a stroke, if it is restored as nearly as possible to its original position by adjusting the feature back to where it was, there is no penalty and the club may be used to make a stroke.
    Penalty for Making Stroke in Breach of Rule 4.1a: Disqualification.
    That is all pretty decisive Simon - "Any Substance" even water is not allowed. You will have to try a different method to hit your ball straight!!!

  • #59

    Simon (Tuesday, 03 September 2019 15:57)

    I normally hit a big fade with my driver, but playing in the rain recently, with a wet clubface, I noticed I was driving it straight. Since then I have been wetting the clubface with a squirt of water before my drive and it goes straight.Is there anything in the rules that says that I'm not allowed to do that? Thanks

  • #58

    Jack (Monday, 29 July 2019 14:04)

    Re #57
    Thanks for the explanation Zubair. When you said that you had taken a free pick of your partners ball that was on the path, I assumed that was your choice of ball.
    I have no knowledge of the Rules of the game you were playing as it is a variation of Foursomes, but you will have to ask a local rules official if picking up the first ball and dropping it, is considered your pick, even if you didn't hit it.

  • #57

    Zubair (Monday, 29 July 2019 11:32)

    Hi Jack
    Let me try to explain what happened
    Both partners were supposed to hit the first shot. After that we had to select one ball to play alternate shots. My partners ball hit from tee was eligible for free drop. So i took the free drop. But we selected my ball( hit from tee) as the best ball. The opponents claimed the hole on the basis that once we took a free drop we had to play that ball only. In other words we had to select the best ball before taking the free drop. I hope i have made it clear.

  • #56

    Jack (Monday, 29 July 2019 04:20)

    Ref #55
    Hi Zubair
    You tell me you were playing Foursomes (Alternate Shot) but you and your partner were both teeing off at each hole!
    In true Foursomes, one partner tees off on the odd numbered holes for the whole round and the other player tees off on all the even numbered holes, then the partners must alternate strokes for the rest of the hole
    being played.
    The game you played must be a local form of Foursomes which is not included in the Rules of Golf, however, reading your question I assume you were only allowed one "pick" and as you and your partner changed your choice after you had played his ball, you had another "pick" and broke the Rules which means your opponents were correct.
    Being unaware of the Rules of your game, that is my guess!! (Where was the game played?)
    Regards, Jack

  • #55

    Zubair (Sunday, 28 July 2019 11:52)

    Hi
    We were playing foursome ( alternate shots). Everyone was supposed to hit from the tee and after selecting the best ball the game was to be played on the basis of alternate shots. My partner hit the ball from the tee into the rough, close to the path where I was eligible for a free pick. My tee shot was in the fareway.
    I took a free pick of my partners ball. After the freepick the ball got a bad lie and my partner decided to play my drive shot. To this our opponents objected and claimed the hole. They contented that since I had taken the free pick it was mandatory to play the same ball, or we had to decide the best ball to be hit before the freepick was taken.
    Please explain the rule
    Thanks in advance.

    Zubair A Ashai

  • #54

    Jack (Thursday, 11 July 2019 04:04)

    Ref #52
    Having found that the original ball is in play, the provisional ball can now be abandoned. There is no time limit to look for it as long as you are not causing any hold-up on the course.
    Just a matter of good course Etiquette.

  • #53

    Jack (Thursday, 11 July 2019 03:49)

    Ref #51
    The following is the official R&A wording that answers your question John:-
    For two penalty strokes, the player may take relief by dropping the original ball or another ball in this relief area (see Rule 14.3):
    Two Estimated Reference Points:
    (a). Ball Reference Point: The point where the original ball is estimated to have:
    • Come to rest on the course, or
    • Last crossed the edge of the course boundary to go out of bounds.
    (b). Fairway Reference Point: The point of fairway of the hole being played that is nearest to the ball reference point, but is not nearer the hole than the ball reference point.
    The main point is you must not drop the ball on the fairway any closer to the hole. Come back to me John if you would like any more explanation. Cheers Jack

  • #52

    Joe (Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:37)

    Par 3

    First ball maybe OB. Provisional ball is played and may be lost. Its quickly established that original ball is in play. Is anytime allowed to look for the provisional ball?

  • #51

    John Wallbank (Tuesday, 09 July 2019 21:22)

    Playing hole 4 your tee shot goes into rough on 16th hole. Your ball is lost. Where do you play next shot from if club has rule that you can drop a ball on fairway if ball goes out of bounds or lost on hole you are playing?

  • #50

    Jack (Tuesday, 18 June 2019 17:46)

    Ref #49
    Yes Diane, if you read Rule 11.1 you will see all the Rules regarding a ball in motion striking something, and in answer to your question - YES, you are penalised 2-strokes.
    This is clearly stated under Rule 11.1a Exception -
    "Ball Played on Putting Green in Stroke Play:
    If the player’s ball in motion hits another ball at rest on the putting green and both balls were on the putting green before the stroke, the player gets the general penalty (two penalty strokes)."

  • #49

    Diane (Monday, 17 June 2019 11:28)

    Playing a tri-am is there a penalty if you hit a teammate’s ball when both balls are on the putting green?

  • #48

    Jack (Saturday, 01 June 2019 19:25)

    Ref #47
    The new Local Rule for a ball lost or out-of-bounds is only available to players if the golf club they are playing on has the Local Rule posted on a Rules Board (or similar).
    NZ Golf has issued the following information on this subject:-
    The purpose of this Local Rule is to allow a golf club or Committee to provide an extra relief option that allows a player to play on without returning to the location of the previous stroke.
    It is New Zealand Golf’s recommendation that the Stroke and Distance Local Rule is introduced for all play at golf clubs in New Zealand, with the exception of elite play.
    Elite play is defined as
    • Club Championships
    • Club and District Opens
    • National Championships
    While it is New Zealand Golf’s recommendation to introduce the Stroke and Distance Local Rule, it is still at the discretion of each District Association and individual golf clubs to introduce as and when they choose to do so.
    Kenmo you have stumped on the subject of a supplementary card! I can see references to it on some websites, but have never heard of it in New Zealand.

  • #47

    Kenmo (Friday, 31 May 2019 12:29)

    New 2019 rule on lost ball is a local rule at my club. However, I have been told that it does not apply to competions or medals. When searching the web I can only find reference to professional competitions and elite amateurs where the new does not apply.
    Also, what about a supplementary card?

  • #46

    Jack (Monday, 27 May 2019 19:13)

    Ref #45
    The R&A / USGA issued three books covering the New Rules from 1st January 2019.
    "The Player's Edition", "The Rules of Golf" and "Official Guide to the Rules of Golf". The first two make little or no reference to Local Rules, but the third book has large coverage of Model Local Rules which includes the one you refer to with diagram. (It is MLR E-5).
    This is all available at the R&A website as follows -
    https://www.randa.org/en/rog/2019/pages/committee-toolkit
    There's lots to read Barry, good luck.