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Comments: 26
  • #26

    Jack (Tuesday, 06 November 2018 01:43)

    Ref # 25
    Hi Jerome. Sounds like you had great fun at your wolf and skins game, but I cannot even try to calculate your scores - you all made so many Rules errors, my glues is that you would (should) have been disqualified!!
    For example, under the Rules of golf, you cannot drop a ball when the ball is lost and take a two stroke penalty. You have to return to the spot where the ball was last played from and also take a two stroke penalty.
    A provisional ball can only be played before you go forward to search.
    I won't pick up your other errors, especially when I read that wolf is played with only 4 players.
    Keep on enjoying your fun golf and if you get serious, I will be pleased to answerother questions on the Rules.
    Cheers, Jack

  • #25

    Jerome Padilla (Monday, 05 November 2018 06:43)

    thank you in advance. facts
    1. playing within a 5 some.
    2. everyone playing wolf and skins.
    3. lots of leaves on a par 5 hole.

    Situation.
    me and 2 other players hit our balls into an area with many fallen leaves.
    player 1 approaches his ball and hits it.
    Player 2's ball is identified
    I continue to search and after 5 minutes our group allows if a ball is lost to drop and take a 2 stroke penalty- stroke and distance. So i dropped hit and registered a 7 on the par 5.

    my partner on wolf scores a 7 as well
    my 3 opponents score 2 bogeys and the person who unknown to the group had hit my ball onto the green, putted out and scored a bogey.
    Our opponents declared they won the hole with 4 carry overs.

    Bummer for us.

    Then we tee off on the next hole. we all hit , not leaves easy to find our balls, i hit left rough , the person that hit my .ball on the last hole resulting in my thinking by ball was lost, hit to the right rough. we clearly saw the ball come to rest from the tee box.. I hit my ball on the green, well marked 8 with , my presumed lost ball was a well marked 3 . my opponents shot was short. At this time we my opponent noticed and stated that this is your ball well marked as well. It turns out that he , played out my ball on the par 5, teed off on the next hole, hit his 2nd shot short and then noticed the wrong ball scored.... what scored do i register on the par 5? am in penalized? we had a match with team play which presumed lost , but would have most likely tied, i played my provisional from the point my ball was lost , group agreement, which was the spot that i would have dropped if we discovered the wrong ball error right away, but as stated we did not. how do we correctly scored this scenario.

  • #24

    Jack (Sunday, 07 October 2018 21:31)

    Ref # 23
    Hi Frank. If you play a ball lodged in a bush or tree, no penalties would apply UNLESS there is a Local Rule at the course being played which prohibits play from a STAKED tree/bush. In which case, you would be penalised 2-strokes (Stroke Play) or Loss of Hole (Match Play).
    The message here is: ALWAYS read the Local Rules BEFORE you commence your round.
    Finally, if you had declared the ball unplayable, you must proceed as described in Rule 28. The ball is always DROPPED not PLACED.

  • #23

    Frank (Thursday, 04 October 2018 21:57)

    Hi Jack, question: If my ball is lodged in a bush about half meter of the ground can I make a play at it or do I need to take it out and place it on the ground and take a penalty stroke

  • #22

    Jack (Sunday, 02 September 2018 18:41)

    Ref #21
    Good one Mike. Here is my answer.
    Under Rules 11-5 and 11-4b (Stroke Play), if a player plays from the wrong teeing ground he is penalised two-strokes and must correct this error before teeing off at the next hole, otherwise he is disqualified.
    As the 9th and 2nd Blue tees are close together and not clearly marked, I would refer to Rule 1-4 and make a decision in accordance with EQUITY. In other words - common sense! No penalties should be applied in this competition.
    The committee of the day should ensure that the course of the day is clearly marked, and it is something we will attend to with the upcoming BOP Open/North Island Stroke Play Tournament.
    Thanks, we will ensure this confusion does not happen again.
    Cheers,
    Jack

  • #21

    Mike (Saturday, 01 September 2018 16:55)

    Here's a good one Jack! It happened.
    Scene - The combined 2nd & 9th tee area at Whakatane.
    A group having just played the 1st, is hitting off to the 2nd between blue marker blocks on the road side of the area, as normal.
    One of the group has already hit his tee shot.
    Another group coming from the 8th green then arrives and points out that one of the blue tee blocks on the other side of the area, normally where 9th hole players hit off, has the number 2 inscribed on it.
    The people playing the 9th proceed to hit off from the blue blocks normally accepted as being the 2nd tee position on the road side.
    The people playing the 2nd go across and hit off from what is normally the 9th side, where the blue block has a '2' on it. (One of the group of course tees off for the second time).
    Question - Does the fact that the tee block has a '2' on it mean that it is identified officially as being the second hole tee position for the day?
    Given that, as probably was the case, no one else in the field for the day noticed the numbered blue tee block, were the two groups involved the only ones correct in terms of the rule book, meaning that the entire rest of the 'blue players' for the day should probably have been disqualified, or docked 4 strokes, or whatever?
    No names, no pack drill. Just a teaser really, but strictly speaking are we obliged to check the identification of tee blocks in common tee areas? Or is common sense permitted?
    Cheers
    Mike

  • #20

    Jack (Monday, 06 August 2018 03:54)

    Ref # 19
    Hi Pat
    From your description of the event, I would say that the other player was just too impatient! He should have waited until you had reached your ball to mark and lift it. If you were playing a match, I would have expected him to give you the putt!!
    There are two Rules involved here. Rule 18-5 reads "If a ball in play and at rest is moved by another ball in motion after a stroke, the moved ball must be replaced." which means you have to replace your ball on the lip of the hole.
    But then Rule 19-5a reads "If a player’s ball in motion after a stroke is deflected or stopped by a ball in play
    and at rest, the player must play his ball as it lies." As his ball went into the hole he has finished the hole with that last stroke. As he played from off the green, there are no penalties to either player.
    Finally, under Rule 22-1a, you could have requested that the other player waits as you wish to lift your ball. If he ignored that request, he would have been penalised 2-strokes or loss-of-hole!!
    Thanks Pat - an interesting situation.

  • #19

    Pat (Friday, 03 August 2018 11:43)

    Hi

    In a fourball match. I chipped stone dead. I was heading up to mark the ball as it was on the lip but the other player chipped on as I was approaching my ball. His ball hit mine and went in. Was he wrong to play or just bad etiquette

  • #18

    Jack (Sunday, 06 May 2018 17:50)

    Ref #16
    Hi Paul
    The answer to your question lies in Rule 19, but I need to know if you were playing Stroke play or Match play?
    In Stroke play, Rule 19-1 applies. "If a player's ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any outside agency, it is a rub of the green, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies."
    ("Outside agency" includes another player, etc.)
    In Match play Rule 19-3 applies. "If a player’s ball is accidentally deflected or stopped by an opponent, his caddie or his equipment, there is no penalty. The player may, before another stroke is made by either side, cancel the stroke and play a ball, without penalty, as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played (Rule 20-5) or he may play the ball as it lies."
    As you can see in both cases, no penalty applies. It looks like your friends were right!!
    P.S. For full details, read Rule 19. The above is just a brief summary.

  • #17

    Paul wilcock (Friday, 04 May 2018 12:36)

    If a ball strikes a player who has just played the shot is this a penalty again the player who played the shot....my friends say it not...but l think it is...could you clarify for me please. Regards Paul

  • #16

    Jack (Saturday, 24 March 2018 22:59)

    Hi Tim
    A ball is out of bounds when it lies out of bounds. Your ball in question finished on the fairway and it is played as it lies. No penalty!!
    (See Definition of Out-of-Bounds)

  • #15

    Tim (Friday, 23 March 2018 11:50)

    Ball hit out of bounds hits a house and bounces back onto the fairway. Is that OB or play the ball where it lays on the fairway?



  • #14

    Jack (Thursday, 16 November 2017 17:39)

    Ref#13
    Interesting question Mike.
    Under Rule 7-1b it is stated that practice is NOT permitted when two rounds are to be played on CONSECUTIVE DAYS but with your club's competition being the Saturday and Sunday over two weekends, this does not prevent players playing, or practicing, on the course from the Monday to Friday of the intervening week.
    As you admitted Mike, your disqualification was correct but the Friday one was legitimate.
    Cheers, Jack

  • #13

    Mike (Sunday, 12 November 2017 14:42)

    Our stroke play is held over consecquitive days over two weekends. (4 rounds)
    On the Saturday of the second weekend I practiced on the course after play, and was rightly disqualified for the final round.

    The were no conditions of play issued by the match committee.

    A player practiced on the Friday for the before the final weekend and was not disqualified

    Why was he okay please. Thanks

  • #12

    Jack (Thursday, 09 November 2017 02:15)

    Ref #11
    Yes Alex under Rule 24-2b. In the circumstances you describe it is reasonable for you to play in the direction which allowed you to avoid hitting the tree. When you took your stance which caused you to stand on the water system deemed as an immovable obstruction, you were entitled to take free relief. After finding your nearest point of relief and dropping within one club length, you may be lucky enough to play in a better direction - all for no penalty.
    Good knowledge of the Rules can be a big advantage!!
    Well done. Regards Jack

  • #11

    Alex Rugen (Wednesday, 08 November 2017 01:56)

    My ball has come to rest against a tree. The tree is preventing me from hitting a shot towards the green and the only shot I feel that I can play is backwards to try and get my ball back on to the fairway. If I take this shot I will be standing on a water irrigation pipe. The local rules state that the entire water system is deemed an immovable obstruction. Can I have a free drop away from the water pipe?

  • #10

    Jack (Friday, 19 May 2017 23:14)

    Sorry about the delay in replying to your query Kaye. The website did not advise me!!
    You did not say whether your Foursomes were Match play or Stroke play, so I will cover both.
    In Matchplay, if a player plays a wrong ball the penalty is Loss-of-Hole.(Rule 15-3a). That applies only to the hole being played.
    In Stroke play, the penalty is 2-strokes (Rule 15-3b) and the side must play a correct ball from the same spot. This error must be corrected BEFORE making a stroke from the next tee or the side is disqualified (Rule 29-3)
    The second part of your question makes me think you were playing Stroke play. If you are in this situation you should apply Rule 3-3, This allows you (and your foursomes partner) to play a second ball and advise which one you wants to count if the Rules permit. You then advise the committee before signing your card at the end of the round.
    Ask me again Kaye if you need any more information.

  • #9

    Kaye (Saturday, 06 May 2017 19:18)

    A pair playing in a foursomes

    Player 2 played the second shot and played the wrong ball. None of the group knew the rules but one very vocal player was telling them they were disqualified!

    What do you do if you get in this situation and there is no-one handy to give you a ruling - obviously you can't stay there but if you tee off at the next hole without resolving the issue you are disqualified?

  • #8

    Jack (Friday, 09 December 2016 19:23)

    Ref #7
    Good question Bonny, but the fact that the cable was out of bounds means NO RELIEF. The cable would come under the definition of "Obstructions" and in the Rules this reads as follows:-
    "An obstruction is anything artificial, including the artificial surfaces and sides of roads and paths and manufactured ice, except:
    a. Objects defining out of bounds, such as walls, fences, stakes and railings;
    b. Any part of an immovable artificial object that is out of bounds; "
    Under Rule 24-2 aplayer can obtain relief from an immovable obstruction, but, as mentioned above, not if it is out of bounds,.
    Hope this answers the question for you.

  • #7

    Bonny (Thursday, 08 December 2016 10:13)

    My opponent's ball landed just next to the OB line marked with stakes. Just beyond this line was a cable supporting an electric pole. It was beyond the OB line and outside the course (It did not mark the OB line). His back swing was interfered by the cable. We had a great discussion, but came to no conclusion. One view was that he deserved relief as his swing was interfered by an immovable obstruction. The other view was that since the obstruction was outside the course, no relief was permitted. Later I searched the net but found nothing. What could be the ruling?

  • #6

    Jack (Tuesday, 07 June 2016 19:49)

    Ref # 5
    This is a very interesting question, especially regarding the contact lenses when obviously thousands of golfers wear them!!
    However, the golfer in question should be taking a penalty each time she lifts her ball from a bunker. Whilst highly unusual you would DROP using the procedure and penalty described in 25-1b(ii)b.
    All scores added to date have been unacceptable, as defined in the handicap manual, and when a player ignores one or more Rules of Golf and fails to post an adjusted hole score or fails to record the appropriate penalty for a breach of a rule - Rule 6-6b - the penalty is disqualification.
    Hope this helps Mary. (I have checked this reply with NZ Golf as it was a little strange!!)

  • #5

    Mary (Saturday, 04 June 2016 09:56)

    A golfer habitually removes her ball from the sand bunkers and places it (not drops) it in the grass, supposedly because sand may get in her eyes. Said golfer had eye surgery well over a year ago and the surgery was not a success and requires her to wear contacts. Not an excuse, says I. What concerns me is the fact that she posts her score for handicapping purposes without adding penalty stroke(s) for each time she does this during a round. What is the rule pertaining to this? Thanks!!

  • #4

    Jack (Monday, 21 March 2016 04:14)

    Ref # 3
    Yes Ron, you are correct. Player B receives the penalty.

  • #3

    Ron (Sunday, 20 March 2016 05:17)

    None of the 7 listed situations applied. As I understand the team to consist of 4 partners, if one of the partners accidentally moves a ball belonging to any one of the other 3 partners, then it is the owner of the moved ball who incurs the penalty; ie in my original scenario player B incurs the penalty - correct?

  • #2

    Jack (Sunday, 20 March 2016 03:20)

    Ref # 1
    This is covered in Rule 18 "Ball at Rest Moved"
    18-2. By Player, Partner, Caddie or Equipment - and it covers several instances where the ball might be moved and no penalty applies, however I need more detail to rule if a penalty applies in this situation.
    Go to page 90 in the "Rules of Golf" and read the seven listed situations and if none applies to your question, then, because he replaced the ball, a 1-stroke penalty is incurred by the player.
    This is one of the times you need a Rule book in your golf bag Ron!

  • #1

    Ron (Saturday, 19 March 2016 15:47)

    Team of 4 players A, B, C, D playing best 3 scores per hole. Player A accidentally moves ball of player B. Player B replaces ball prior to playing his next stroke. Which (if any) player incurs a penalty?